May 2,2011 As of this morning I am no
longer blocked from access as a guest to Prophecies
Matt 12:15
Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place.
Many followed him,
But the Pharisees went out and plotted how
they might kill Jesus.
We are having a blast in
Capitola as the Spirit takes the Pain and intention of those that hate me and
makes me laugh about their tricks.. (You do it to the LEAST of them You have
done it unto ME)
To deliberately set out to
trick him is on THIS tv at this moment. (Movie Love is a Ball)
It is an Orchestrated lie
that they say I was not locked out and banned.. Any man is always denied in a
court of her peers. How many have fallen to this fate? (Every Man ) The words
of the holy books originally were not spoken to women as they were an account
of the fall of man, she was under the man per her agreement. If the poetry of
Jesus is related to the shame of sex a woman should never believe that she
could interpret it. (And I will say to them “You never knew me” The origins of
Judging and Judges. Jesus said to them “JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED” Or at
least judge according to the Spirit without traps and manipulation. Synchs are
not judging, they are revealing how You judge Yourself. The origins of the
court related to how women ban together especially when they are motivated by
fear. (Father forgive them, they know not what they do) Why won’t men commit?
(that’s hilarious)We learn about relationship and society and the fall from
these models. A Robin is added to the conspiracy. Every intention like saying
they fear You andmentioning police is
to play into the intentions of their peers. While they are the criminal.The use of Hawaii is a lie saying “I no
longer need to use this name MR(MistyRain) This happened in divorce where she
took every word and used it against him. This is interpretation of religion by
women. But this was before known therefore they draw to themselves desolation.
Even if all this came out there is no court that will convict a woman for lying
as courts are the tool of women and the snake against the man/wildheart. If a
man follows the true intentions of his heart he will learn the “true intentions
of a woman” and will turn to the Spirit as his life/wife.
She, she is my life
She is my wife
She came out from me in the
beginning
We were one in the beginning
She is my dream and I am the
dreamer dnatree
Alexander Herzen, described the English judges as "wearing
a fur coat and something like a woman's dressing gown."
That is why Jesus said“IF you love family or children more than
You love the truth then You are not worthy to follow the Spirit” And therefore
they will want to lie about the the truth and kill Me as THEY killed the
prophets before me. They don’t care that all the synchs are leading to help
humans see what they draw to themselves, they only want to cover their shame.
When I get time with the Spirit
I see things much better and it really makes me laugh sort of like when I
thought I was at my lowest and the Spirit said it was not me they offend but
the Spirit andtook me to such joy in
Death Valley. The Spirit told me to look at the one that is so passionate as
one of the greatest students, for if she truly is seeking Spirit then the fact
that she loves me or hates me is just contrived sentiment and like Paul the
Apostle who fed Christians to the lions until but was fervent for the truth he
was a great student. How about some peace as I am going away and it would just
be best if You did not judge me as I cannot defend myself because I am locked
out of that forum by those that wish to portray me. So she lies and puts up an
appearance so drastically different from other forums where her agenda was only
to destroy. Gotta love that passion. I wish those fervent for the Spirit were
thus. So go ahead, tear me up BEARS, flock of geese, this is my body which is
given to You.
15I know
your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or
the other!16So,
because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my
mouth.
Related post.
If we would stop parroting our parties leaders
and find the "true intentions of the heart" we would become like a
loving couple again that do not just tolerate each other but seek to find the
synergy of what it means to have mutual intention. After all we want our
children to live, and we all want peace. Search the heart and You will discover
what has been there all along. Let go of the veil of interpretation that is
only separating YOU and I. Words, Misunderstanding, party, and gender, will
only become stumbling blocks to true intention of the heart.
They cleverly locked me out so that I could not
defend myself against the blatant lies of the one hiding behind the name
MistyRain. They could have looked at the PM's in my outbox
and in Misty's inbox and saw that she was lying. As the MR was for MistyRain
and she CHANGED it to mean something else by making the R little and adding the
period. They know what I said but they want to discredit and smear. In the same
way the writing was given over to those that hate the Spirit and it was all
changed to a deluding influence.
Also if a PM was posted by me I would immediately
have been banned but they overlook that also in compliance.
When I went through this experience before where
every word was taken and used to mean what they wanted it to mean. (Also the
Spirit regarding the original words that were written down that folks were
being fed to the lions for.) The person acted for a moment once as though they
cared but only wanted to get me to say a certain word so they could go to a
shelter and use that word as proof knowing that I said the word because of how
they cared about whether I would hurt myself over the pain of the experience.
I saved all the posts before Stillhere changed
them on Oroborus and if I post them they reveal that this IS the same person.
And those that left because of her will also verify that these posts that I
saved were real.
Like when I went through this before I would be
defending every word and every intent as they utterly destroy me through this
process.
I am going to post them and only give the web
address to those that know what Stillhere did at ORO before it was sanitized.
I don't plan on defending myself as after they
said it was my final warning just like the old The Asylum they then acted like
I did something after that which is not true I posted nothing after Kelly said
that but they intended to further make it appear as though I had,
I will send the link and the info that verifies
all the posts will be on it and the posts on Oro reveal who this person really
is. Tree
Here is the real Stillhere and it is also
MistyRain if You get into the Spirit of this person on this thread and there
are a lot more much more nasty meant to do exactly what she is doing on Prophs
This reveals the Stillhere that came over to Oro
and is the same Spirit in the MistyRain that lies to win and destroy. I already
knew that such lies and intentional humiliation was coming. That is why it is
not a person like Jesus the Spirit says to follow but rather the Spirit
Speaking through him was the one to follow and is to be followed within You. http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16749&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cluck&start=40
I have all the folders of what really happened and
though websites are being sterilized I have all the folks that were pushed out
to verify the posts that will be on this site. I just need to post this for a
day while I get the message to those they are trying to crucify me and make me
to be what they want me to appear.
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:55
pm Post subject:
aaaa
Fortunately I am blessed with
wonderful neighbors....the kind that when we had that scarey widespread
massive power outage everal summer ago, all joined together setting up
grills on their front lawns cooking all the freezer meats up that would
have spoiled, all fixing a massive block supper..every one all out on the
street with flashlights, camper lights, etc. keeping each other's spirits
up. Do you honestly
not realize I am giving you an example of aggressive behavior like people
experienced in europe as Hitler's Germany rolled over them? Or just
pretending you do not get the point? While you were busy licking the
boots of the gestapo, they were tossing your Jewish neighbor on the
trains. While you were trying to talk nice to them they were busy burning
down your whole neighborhood. What did you have to do to "earn"
their respect? Baking a cake and talking nice didn't work..gthey still
torched your house and shot you.
Posted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:02
pm Post subject:
wait a minute
I'll take Brock's naivety, empty
protest and hestiancy over Stillhere's quick finger on the nuke button
and rush to judgement, fear and paranoia any day of the week!
Just like those that will die,
all that remain will be changed in a moment. For they will be reached
even to the heart. _________________ "Only that
which cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal,
it is made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
Wouldn't it be cool if we get
what we give? _________________ "It is better
to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve
them."
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010
10:11 am Post subject:
Re: stillhere's fantasy
River wrote:
Stillhere's fantasy..ever
escalating violence and polarization, fear and paranoia reign supreme.
In almost every nuclear war game, they always reach for bigger
guns..bigger nukes, no matter what the scenario.
Tuck your dick in and pull up your pants Stillhere and go nuke them sum
of bitches and save Brock!
River
Boy did you ever get
that right, River!!! I've never seen such vitriole spewed at someone so
undeserving before, and the pompous attitude keeps getting worse and
worse... _________________ Those who can make
you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
You push the button and kill everyone OR you stop the war and save
everyone.
Obviously an opinion against war is a reason to be killed.
Go ahead, will you die for peace or live for war??
stillhere, I believe brainwashing includes agreeing to aggressions like
war. When I'm pissed I don't refer to history, I refer to my heart.
Luna, you are right, I refuse to believe you are powerless. Take your
energy to the right place where you can break the genetic cycle. I
believe that truth is so big, I can be you and me at the same time. I
would never agree to killing thus so. I do not presume you'd agree to
die for an unjust government, if you lived in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.
First off, the
question I asked wasn't, "Could you order a bomb to dropped."
There was no button to push at that time but it doesn't matter because
the result was the same. The question is
essentially, "What would you have done to not drop the
bomb." Don't focus on
dropping it, focus on not dropping it. Now in considering
this question, look at all possibilities like diplomatic solutions, a
less hard line stance in the calls for surrender, offering only aid
instead, proposing a win/win solution etc. These possibilities are what
are intriguing.
No, I couldn't
have dropped that bomb either. It took a 'special' person to do that and
neither of us are that kind of special.
Yes, I would agree
to die in order to stop an unjust government and not be a part of a
machine of mass slaughter over running the earth. Now, I do not presume
that any one who died there agreed to that no more than the (lowest
estimate) 25 million people brutally slaughtered by the Japanese agreed
to their tortuous fate.
BTW: No one
suggested being against war is a reason to die, I don't think any way. I
might hav missed something there.
A couple other
questions to ponder, (and I am pondering them myself) Would you agree to
leave others to be killed (25 million people were eviscerated, had all
their limbs frozen solid and amputated, and biological weapons tested on
them all without anesthesia)? Would you agree to let only the murders
inherit the earth by killing off all the peaceful people so that only the
genociders remained?
I agree that
choosing peace while in an aggressor society (like ours has become) is
the proper way to help put an end to wars of aggression. However, when one
aggressor is whole sale slaughtering 25 million people and there is no
end in sight to the slaughter and they are attacking you, self defense is
justified, imho. You may choose not to defend yourself or the rest of
humanity if you like and that would be okay to.
One thing a
history professor pointed out to me was that we are not part of the
cultures or societies surrounding various events and do not have the same
life experiences as the people that partook in those situations. All of
those factors lead to various outcomes in different places and times.
Neither you nor I were there and experienced the events that lead to this
cataclysm. So any insights we have, might not be applicable to them. It
could be akin to blaming small pox victims of the 11th century for not
being vaccinated against small pox when no such thing had been invented
yet. That applies here to. We have had cultural developments since that
time and various mass epiphanies that just wasn't in the equation back
then.
Anyway, you don't
need to tackle it here, but please do tackle it in the back of your
mind-- that is, "How could have the bombs not been
dropped."
P.s. I'm going to
be busy and not on much for the next day or two. I'm not gone, so don't
assume that I am or that I'm stymied. I'll just not be here. _________________
I can hear
gentleness again. Maybe it was the "pondering" approach Luna
stated. May mother earth be healed by humans wrongdoing...and vice versa.
I can only imagine
how depressing the earth looks from out in space...such beauty in color
and form with blasts from the survace indicating humans' plight. _________________ "It is better
to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve
them."
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 4:59
pm Post subject:
www
SIGH....once again in rides
snarky River with ASSUMPTIONS and ALLEGATIONS! River - how the h++l do
you see anything in what I expressed insinuating that I would have a
"quick finger on the nuke button" or "rush to judgement,
fear and paranoia"??????? Good grief!! Talk about living in your own
small mind wherein you make up your own "facts"! Lol....you are
too much. FEAR - people in europe and the Pacific had no fear of Germany
or Japan invading their countries and killing their people???? No FEAR
there??? Oh, they were just laboring under PARANOIA! I see.......Did
Pres. Truman have a "quick finger on the nuke button"? So, it
is NOT TRUE that he took ample time to forewarn the Japanese government -
not ONCE, but TWICE? Did Truman "rush to judgement" when he
considered that ending WW II by using the atomic bombs would save untold
millions of lives? Oh, let me ask
you, River...did Japan "rush to jusgement" and act out of
"fear and paranoia" when they decided to bomb Pearl Harbor? History
shows us that Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was a pretty well planned
out and pre-practiced event. Did Hitler "rush to judgement" or
act out of "fear and paranoia" when he decided to exterminate
europe's Jewish population? No, history shows us he cleverly manipulated
his way into power in Germany by convincing the Germans that the Jews
were responsible for all their problems. Right from the onset he had his
evil "master plan" and knew EXACTLY what he intended to do. The
same planned aggression was evident in the Japanese's planned conquering
of countries in Pacific Asia. Luna is correct -
OBVIOUSLY the peoples of the 1930s and 1940s were very different cultures
from what we live in today. The US was basically harboring a "that's
europe's problem" regarding Germany's aggression. We bordered on
isolationism, minding our own business UNTIL Japan made it "our
business" when it attacked Pearl Harbor. Were millions of American's
acting out of a "rush to judgement, fear and paranoia" when
they quickly enlisted into military service following that attack?
Hmmm......but, hey, I am certain that somewhere in your mind you, River,
are able to "create" your own "facts" and spin your
own realities. Gee, would the USA today be German-speaking or Japanese-speaking?
Certainly had the Axis powers accomplished their plans, eventually they
would have gone to war against one another to dominate the globe. So,
German or Japanese?
stillhere, you are managing
singlehandedly to alienate most of the posters here by your derisive
remarks and nastiness. You have so much anger, it is disheartening.
Perhaps you should read their posts, read their links and take to heart
that this is a free country, free for all of us to believe and think what
we want. I know I cannot change your mind, nor the minds of many others
here. I usually just call you out, but I am not going to do that anymore
because like most uberconservatives (which you ARE - regardless of all
your claims), you have drunk the koolaid and you are blinded by their
animosity and hatred for the rest of us. I only hope you can find peace
somewhere, it certainly isn't here, in fact, since you disagree with so
many here, I cannot understand why you are still here. _________________ Those who can make
you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
As any such scenario approached
the smallest of points overlooked would have shown those intending peace
how to be
Wise as
serpents and as gentle as doves
What was
overlooked would change the equation for those that seek sanctuary
through the Spirit.
Those leaning on
their own understanding would have had no recourse but to push the button
and have the button pushed on them.
Reemerge and
inherit the earth
Matthew 21:43,44
Quote:
Therefore I tell you that the
kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who
will produce its fruit.
He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on
whom it falls will be crushed.
If You knew what
was coming You would let the Spirit break Your heart even to the edge,
but the self right people will love their interpretation they did not get
from SPIRIT until the day they are swept away. Luke 17:31-33
Quote:
On that day no one who is on
the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them.
Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. (RLW)
Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life
will preserve it.
RLW = Remember
Lot's Wife It was not because
Lot did not fornicate that he was saved but because he believed the
Spirit. For as Lot had children with his daughters but he Believed the
Spirit therefore he was saved, what the interpretation wants You go
believe is a lie. But his wife did not believe the Spirit when it was
said "do not look back" So it is that the right people love
their self rightness over the love of the Spirit. For the Spirit knows
their hearts and knew that what they demanded others worship would be
what binds them in order to take what was stolen. _________________ "Only that which
cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal, it is
made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
Posted: Tue Aug 10, 2010
11:13 pm Post subject:
yyy
Yes, Rye, I am a terrible angry
person because I object to River's snide nonsense. Yes, I am just a
terrible awful person because I do not share most of YOUR opinions. Yes,
how awful of me to turn River's words against her to show how foolish her
allegations intended to be snide actually were. Sorry, SPIN is SPIN. You
are just trying to make excuses for your "gang" bully
mentality. Remember, I suggested you just put my posts on block........I
could care less if you read my posts or not. River and you are entitled
to express your own opinions, but you are NOT entitled to name-call and
then claim I or anyone else is being "angry" when they or I
refuse to tolerate that nonsense! Enough.
All of us can say all of these
things about each other as we are all not perfect in this body. But we
are learning the true intentions of the heart as to why we are STILL
HERE. Some of us want to find out the true intentions of our hearts. Some
want to reach others with the true intentions of the heart. And we all
are learning when to let go and start new. There are none that are alive
that have not been lost because of what we were taught to believe. This
SHOULD only make us more patient with each other. If someone offends us
we can first give it to the Spirit and when that two edged sword of truth
shows up and it will, it will reveal both hearts. That is what a two
edged sword does when two hearts get so close as in love and war. _________________ "Only that
which cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal,
it is made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
Stillhere, your response just
proves my point. Your responses throughout here at Brock and River and me
have been filled with animosity. _________________ Those who can make
you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities. -Voltaire
dnatree wrote:
That is what a two edged sword does when two hearts get so close as in
love and war.
My point is to not equate war with love.
there is nothing
that is not love especially when life is only YOU and I,,
Related synch Last night Pam and
I watched "I'm Reed Fish" which is the story of a girl and boy
who's parents died together in a wreck and it joined them together.
This morning this
was a headline Love
After Lockerbie _________________ "Only that
which cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal,
it is made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
Posted: Wed Aug 11, 2010 7:57
pm Post subject:
yyy
Yes, Rye and Brock...I am just
this awful angry person. Just
terrible...awful...awful...awful..........you on the other hand are
beacons of love, kindness, compassion, peace, unity, thoughtfulness,
understanding, nonjudgemental opinions, and radiate kindness all over the
planet. gee, I so wish I could be just like you.
Saying the Intention of the house
helps me to clean my house. This house is for
those seeking true intention of heart Or for those
sharing theirs This can be just
about anything, so long as it is with true intention of heart
If I asked the
true intention of Your heart would You tell me truly
Dnatree wrote
Quote:
Love is learning from the
experiences in wonder about YOU, my life, and then "seeing YOU in
them"
Part of a Rumi
Poem
Quote:
When someone is full
A hundred thousand prophets can't empty them
Part of the same
Rumi Poem
Quote:
I can speak to myself
If I see myself in someone
Then I can speak to them
You who have respect come (Into my House)
You who have disrespect go
And take with You our disrespect
A person that thinks about
defects is reading from his own page
Synchs with this
Spirit today Folks were all
talking about how much they dislike treating bugs the way they had to in
their home or they would multiply.
Related synchs Mutual respect is
a growing synch as in these posts http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=143084#143084 _________________ "Only that
which cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal,
it is made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
Posted: Sun Aug 15, 2010
11:43 pm Post subject:
worst sin of all, fascination by the spirit, Superbia
The earth is sacred, how could
anyone cross that taboo of god and take unto themselves the power to
destroy the creation.
River
from Wars, Arms,
Rams, Mars, James Hillman page 128-129. From the book, Facing Apocalypse
He's talking about
the different imaginations of war through the lens of Mars or the nuclear
imagination.
"A further
difference between martial and nuclear is in their visions of
transcendence. They show two elemental imaginations of fire: war and the
fire of earth; apocalypse and the fire of ether or air. And two different
animals; the ram of territory and head on collisions; the eagle of
piercing surprise and the uplifting rapture of nuclearism.
The nuclear
imagination, further, is without ancestry. Nothing to look back on and
draw upon. History provides no precedents. There is a broken connection,
to use Lifton's phrase, between sudden, hideous and collective extinction
and deaths modeled by the ancestors. The martial imagination is steeped
in memorials. Past battles and military biographies are the on going
texts. We tramp the battlefields, ponder the cemeteries. There are Swiss
depictions of battles, for instance, showing skeletons in the ranks; here
are the ancestors fighting in our midst.
The rhetoric of
Mars in war-journals, poems and recollections speaks of attachment to
specific earthly places, comrades, things. The transcendent is in the
conrete particular. Hemingway writes that, after WW I, "abstract
words such as glory, honor, courage...were obscene beside the concrete
names of villages, the numbers of roads, the names of rivers, the
regiments and dates." skipping
Martial psychology
turns events into images: physical, bounded, named. Hurtgen Forest, Vimy
Ridge, Iwo Jima. A beach, a bridge, a railroad crossing; battle places
become iconic and sacred, physical images claiming the utmost human love,
worth more than my life.
Quite different is
the transcendent experience of the nuclear fireball. The emotion is
stupefaction at desctruction itself rather than a heightened regard for
the destroyed. Nuclear devastation is not merely a deafening cannonade or
fire-bombing carried to a further degree. It is different in kind;
archetypally different it evokes the apocalyptic transformation of the
world into fire, earth ascending in a pillar of cloud, an ephiphantic
fire revealing the inmost spirit of all things, as in the Buddha's fire
sermon:
All things, O
priests, are on fire...the mind is on fire, ideas are on fire..mind
consciousness is on fire.
Or like that
passage from the Bhagavad Gita which came to Oppenheimer when he saw the
atomc blast:
If the radiance
of a thousand suns Were burst at once
into the sky That would be like
the splendor of the Might One.
The nuclear imagination
leaves the human behind for the worst sin of all: fascination by the
spirit. Superbia. The soul goes up in fire. If the ephiphany in
battle unveils love of this place and that man, and values more than my
life, yet bound with this world, and its life, the nuclear epiphany
unveils the apocalyptic God, a God of extinction, the God-is-dead God, an
ephiphany of Nihilism.
Apocalypse is not
necessary to war. Let me make this very clear; apocalypse is not part of
the myths of Mars. Mars asks for battle, not wipeout, not even victory,
(Nike belongs to Athene, not Ares.) Patton supposedly said; "I like
maing things happen. That's my share in Deity." Apocalypse is
inherent, not in the Martial deity, but in the Christian deity.
Fascination with transcendent Christ may be more the threat to the
Christian civilization than the War God himself. Are not civilizations
saved by their Gods also led to destruction by those same, their own,
Gods?
Posted: Mon Aug 16, 2010
12:34 am Post subject:
Kenosis, empty protest
From "We've had a hundred
years of psychotherapy and the world is getting worse." James
Hillman and Michael Ventura 1992
Page 104
"I used to
get stopped cold in political arguments. I would be going on about something,
and the other guy would say, ""All right, if you're so smart,
what would you do about it? And I had no positive idea what to do, no
program, nothing. It wasn't just that I was impractical; I was empty. My
protests were suddenly emptied out because I had nothing positive to
offer. They say that the '68 revolutions in Berkely and in Europe among
the students were so easily crushed or petered out because the
revolutionaries had no positive programs.
Kenosis puts
the emptiness in a new light. It values the emptiness. It says
"empty protest" is a via negativa, a non positivist way of
entering the political areana. You take your outrage seriously, but you
don't forces yourself to have answers. Trust your nose. You know whatstinks.
Don't try to replace the helpless frustration you feel, the powerless
victimization, by working out a rational answer. The answers will come if
they come, when they come, to you, to others, but don't fill in the
emptiness of the protest with positive suggestions before their time.
First, protest. I don't know what should be done most of the major
political dilemmas, but my gut {my soul, my heart, my skin, my eyes,}
sinks, creeps, crawls, weeps, cringes, shakes. It's wrong, simply wrong,
what's going on here.
That we blasted
thousands of Iraqis, mercilessly, for forty days and forty nights; that
we kept this visual and verbal information from the citizens who pay for
the war, who are the war, and who will carry the war in their souls into
the future of our country; that America's president could say there are
no more protesters, turning them into his political opposition, as if
they were now wiped out like Iraqis (there are no more enemies), that
our overkill--"to spare lives" (the Hiroshima argument)--resulting
from the religious fanaticism called "unconditional surrender"
( a tenet of Protestant rigidity and phobia of negotiating with the
"enemy", going back to "Unconditional Surrender"
Grant and the Civlil War) is covered over by harping on Arab Fanaticism;
that this enemy was .................."
edit
add, need to add more to Kenosis idea.Pag 102-103
Do you know the
theological term kenosis? The idea from Greek means vain, hollow,
fruitless, void, empty, in Christian theology kenosis refers to Christ's
emptying himself of his divine power, of his unity with almight God, in
order to enter this world as a man. If it hadn't been for this kenosis
they couldn't have crucified him, and the expression of his emptiness is
his cry on the cross to the almighty father, "Why has thou forsaken
me?"
Kenosis seems now
the only politcal way to be emptied out of certainty. Otherwise you
become a fundamentlist united with an almighty ideology protected from
avove by a cause. Therapy is just one more of the current ideologies
keeping its believers from the panic of kenosis, the panic that comes
when the whole structure of guarantees have collapsed. Therapy becomes a
salvational ideology.
But I want to stay
with politics for this letter. I could compare kenosis with the emptiness
in Buddhist thought and the Zen exercises of emptying and the Oriental
aesthetics of pottery and painting. But I'd rather connect Kenosis with
Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. Kenosis is a form of action--not
masochistic action, victimized, crucified, beaten with lathi sticks and
billy clubs. Protest.
then he goes into
"I think now there's a third way. Kenosis. Empty protest. "
"Like too many specialists
in every field, they are educated not out of ignorance but into
ignorance, because they are raised to an imagined state of enlightenment
- which is actually dogmatism - where they no longer experience the light
of intuition and fierce brightness of common sense.They see the world
through cloudy windows of theory and ideology, which obscures reality.
This is why most experts in economics never see the financial disaster
coming until the wave breaks over them, why most experts in statecraft
and military strategy can be undone by an enemy's surprise attack."
(A BIG LITTLE LIFE, Dean Koontz, pg. 81) "This world
is infinately layered and mysterious. Every day of our lives, we see far
more that we can comprehend, and because of the failure to comprehend
disquiets us, we lie to ourselves about what we see. We want a simple
world, but we live in one that is magnificently complex." (A BIG
LITTLE LIFE, Dean Koontz, pg.267)
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Posted: Wed Aug 25, 2010
11:35 am Post subject:
The decision to use the Atomic
Bomb on civilians ( moms, babys, school children, old people, villagers,
you know, just people going about their lives) was a political power
decision just to establish the US as a superpower..too stun the world;
"they really did it!!""..and redefine power over the world
at the time between two countrys, the USSR and the US...nothing else.
every other reason
or excuse was just a way that they used to manipulate american minds into
believing it was for an good cause.." but, they were never
going to stop.." .."we're doing this to save the lifes of
our boys"..we're doing this to end the war!"....
yeah. to end war.
take alook around. how many wars have we been involved in since? how many
lives of people from other countrys have we killed and destroyed for
power and resources since then? yeah. we care about peace allright. But we did
accomplish the objective didnt we?..We became a Super Power.
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 2:18
pm Post subject:
www
Well, Neptune...please explain
why the Japanese leaders did not surrendr the first time when Truman gave
them the first warning? And, then following the first refusal & bomb
drop why didn't they surrender after the second warning? No...spin
history any way YOU want to, but the responsibility lies with the WW II
Japanese leadership. Had they surrendered BEFORE the bomb was dropped
then there NEVER would have been a Hiroshima! So, spin on.........the
world didn't tell Hitler to go ahead and terrorize all of europe, nor the
Japanese to conquer all of Asia. If you were an honest person you would
put the responsibility where it belongs. The USA did NOT start WW II.
But, don't worry..you will get your wish pretty soon....CHINA will take
over as the next "superpower" and then we will see how much
"freedom" you will have to sit on a computer and bad-mouth
THEM! Good luck!
Posted: Fri Aug 27, 2010 6:48
pm Post subject:
Re: www
I'll answer, since you're sucking
the life out of me with your precious hatred from innocent people. I'm
discussing the civilians not the leaders/war-mongers.
Japan didn't
surrender because adequate communication didn't exist! It wasn't 1980,
ffs., nor did KNOWLEDGE about the HORRORS of the
atomic bomb. Surely, any HUMAN KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING TO
HAPPEN WOULD HAVE SURRENDERED !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
OK, I'm calm now.
The exclamation marks stretched out your post. _________________ "It is better
to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve
them."
Watching Funny People and RESPECT
is written on the guys shirt.
They were given a
warning and still they try to separate people. Making the true intention
of the heart more obvious. We're not going to judge anyone but if the Spirit
is mutual then we will REACH YOU and the true intention of the heart will
be revealed. _________________ "Only that
which cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal,
it is made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
I saw traveling through the
dessert the only way for humans to evolve to such an abomination of
desolation that the world is destroyed is by following and giving
money and energy to leaders that are not first servants. As they can then
create bombs using that mutual passion and when the moment is right
humans are cut to the heart and will never follow a leader but only the
Spirit because of the LIGHTNING THAT BEGAN IN THE EAST AND CONTINUED TO
THE WEST. In that moment they saw the Spirit through the torn heart and
they let go of the WAY THAT SEEMED RIGHT BUT ONLY ENDED IN DESTRUCTION.
For the Son of Man Appeared in their hearts as he left, for it was in a Mushroom
cloud he then appeared in their hearts.
Unless the Veil
of interpretation covering Your heart is Torn from the top to the bottom
You cannot see the coming of the Son of Man in Your heart.
Love through the
Spirit will lead Humans evermore and the leaders and the Self Right that
only lead astray will receive their JUST humiliation.
It is not the law that causes a son to love
his father, nor the law that causes a man to love his wife, but it is to
love the Spirit above all things that leads to the True Intentions of the
heart.
To know death changes everything about what it means to live.
What the world calls REAL becomes meaningless while what YOU, my life
speak becomes all that is real.
_________________ "Only that
which cannot be taken away by death is real. Everything else is unreal,
it is made of the same stuff dreams are made of." - Osho Rumi says: Love is best when
mixed with anguish. In our town, we
won't call you a Lover if you escape the pain.
Posted: Sun Sep 19, 2010 5:03
am Post subject:
Re: www
stillhere wrote:
What part of that do you not
understand?
I understand how
your reaction on this thread started the negativity. _________________ "It is better
to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve
them."
Posted: Mon Sep 20, 2010 3:23
pm Post subject:
ssss
Cluck, cluck, cluck.........pecking away.......stiring
up the dust....cluck, cluck,..little banty rooster and his
hens...cluck, cluck, cluck........dirt
falling on your feathers that you stirred up.......dusty old barnyard...cluck, cluck.......peck,
peck, peck......
that's actually pretty damn
funny, stillhere. _________________ "It is better
to deserve honors and not have them than to have them and not deserve
them."
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 2:24
pm Post subject:
aaaaa
Cluck, cluck, cluck.........dirt flying....cluck, cluck......peck,
peck.....molting season...shedding feathers....feathers in the
dust....peck, peck, peck.....rain coming...running around, flapping
wings......squawk....squawk....barnyard full of mud...nowhere to
hide...exposed for all to see...peck, peck.......run, chicken little,the
sky is falling......cluck, cluck.....
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Silver Star
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 3:41
pm Post subject:
Why the frig is this post so
wide?????????????? _________________ When does
power lose power? When does money
lose value? When does greed
lose itself? When does conflict
lose direction? When there is a
greater need to survive Tik Tok Tik Tok
OK, I'm calm now. The exclamation marks stretched out your post.
Oooops missed this
Mind if I edit
them out? I cant be doin with slidin the screen to read every post J xx _________________ When does
power lose power? When does money
lose value? When does greed
lose itself? When does conflict
lose direction? When there is a
greater need to survive Tik Tok Tik Tok
Posted: Tue Sep 21, 2010 4:44
pm Post subject:
wwwww
Good grief...post lies dormant
for 3 weeks then you go back & pick, pick, pick it up again. Get over
it. Your obsessive hatred is now bordering on some serious insanity. Good
grief, Brock. Give it a rest! Jeez........get a new hairdo, buy some new
duds, go out to lunch, read a good book. Take a deep breath. Take a nap,
some vitamins, a long walk in the fresh air. Give it a rest before you
need a shrink, girl. The whole world doesn't have to agree with your
worldview. You think America is evil, a killer of humanity. Others think
America saved millions and millions of lives by ending WW II. FYI - Japan
is today an ally of the USA. FYI - Germany is today an ally of the USA.
Why did Truman drop the bomb?
The best explanation is a quote by Truman and the thinking of his
Secretary of State Byrnes. Brynes view was that our possessing and
demonstrating the bomb would make the Soviets more
"managable" in Europe. "If this explodes as I think it
will, I'll certainly have a hammer on those boys."
_________________ Father, father We don't need to
escalate You see, war is
not the answer For only love can
conquer hate You know we've got
to find a way To bring some
lovin' here today
Excuses for Things that should
never happen Always happen to
be Logical and quite Sensible, like
packing an umbrella For a trip to
Seattle, but always Leave one
wondering if the threat Of getting wet Is worth the cost
of carrying One thing more Against the
possibility Of a thing that
might not happen.
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