May 2,2011 As of this morning I am no longer blocked from access as a guest to Prophecies

Matt 12:15

Aware of this, Jesus withdrew from that place. Many followed him,

But the Pharisees went out and plotted how they might kill Jesus.

We are having a blast in Capitola as the Spirit takes the Pain and intention of those that hate me and makes me laugh about their tricks.. (You do it to the LEAST of them You have done it unto ME)

 

To deliberately set out to trick him is on THIS tv at this moment. (Movie Love is a Ball)

 

It is an Orchestrated lie that they say I was not locked out and banned.. Any man is always denied in a court of her peers. How many have fallen to this fate? (Every Man ) The words of the holy books originally were not spoken to women as they were an account of the fall of man, she was under the man per her agreement. If the poetry of Jesus is related to the shame of sex a woman should never believe that she could interpret it. (And I will say to them “You never knew me” The origins of Judging and Judges. Jesus said to them “JUDGE NOT LEST YOU BE JUDGED” Or at least judge according to the Spirit without traps and manipulation. Synchs are not judging, they are revealing how You judge Yourself. The origins of the court related to how women ban together especially when they are motivated by fear. (Father forgive them, they know not what they do) Why won’t men commit? (that’s hilarious)We learn about relationship and society and the fall from these models. A Robin is added to the conspiracy. Every intention like saying they fear You and  mentioning police is to play into the intentions of their peers. While they are the criminal.  The use of Hawaii is a lie saying “I no longer need to use this name MR(MistyRain) This happened in divorce where she took every word and used it against him. This is interpretation of religion by women. But this was before known therefore they draw to themselves desolation. Even if all this came out there is no court that will convict a woman for lying as courts are the tool of women and the snake against the man/wildheart. If a man follows the true intentions of his heart he will learn the “true intentions of a woman” and will turn to the Spirit as his life/wife.

She, she is my life

She is my wife

She came out from me in the beginning

We were one in the beginning

She is my dream and I am the dreamer dnatree

Alexander Herzen, described the English judges as "wearing a fur coat and something like a woman's dressing gown."

That is why Jesus said  “IF you love family or children more than You love the truth then You are not worthy to follow the Spirit” And therefore they will want to lie about the the truth and kill Me as THEY killed the prophets before me. They don’t care that all the synchs are leading to help humans see what they draw to themselves, they only want to cover their shame.

Related post http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16963&highlight=stillhere

Yes, Your hearts will be broken to do You good in the end, but if You still hate the truth then this planet is not the place for You. Get off my planet http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17571&highlight=planet

 

Apr 30,2011

When I get time with the Spirit I see things much better and it really makes me laugh sort of like when I thought I was at my lowest and the Spirit said it was not me they offend but the Spirit and  took me to such joy in Death Valley. The Spirit told me to look at the one that is so passionate as one of the greatest students, for if she truly is seeking Spirit then the fact that she loves me or hates me is just contrived sentiment and like Paul the Apostle who fed Christians to the lions until but was fervent for the truth he was a great student. How about some peace as I am going away and it would just be best if You did not judge me as I cannot defend myself because I am locked out of that forum by those that wish to portray me. So she lies and puts up an appearance so drastically different from other forums where her agenda was only to destroy. Gotta love that passion. I wish those fervent for the Spirit were thus. So go ahead, tear me up BEARS, flock of geese, this is my body which is given to You.

Bears http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16544&highlight=bear

flock of geese http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=17085&highlight=bear

How do You light this thing anyhow http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kqawkwrzmsM&feature=related

 Revelation 3:15-16 (New International Version, ©2011)

15 I know your deeds, that you are neither cold nor hot. I wish you were either one or the other! 16 So, because you are lukewarm—neither hot nor cold—I am about to spit you out of my mouth.

 

 

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If we would stop parroting our parties leaders and find the "true intentions of the heart" we would become like a loving couple again that do not just tolerate each other but seek to find the synergy of what it means to have mutual intention. After all we want our children to live, and we all want peace. Search the heart and You will discover what has been there all along. Let go of the veil of interpretation that is only separating YOU and I. Words, Misunderstanding, party, and gender, will only become stumbling blocks to true intention of the heart.

 

Apr 29,2011

This will also be posted at www.stephentree.com/proph/us/ 


Message to those on Prophecies.us

 
They cleverly locked me out so that I could not defend myself against the blatant lies of the one hiding behind the name MistyRain. 
They could have looked at the PM's in my outbox and in Misty's inbox and saw that she was lying. As the MR was for MistyRain and she CHANGED it to mean something else by making the R little and adding the period. They know what I said but they want to discredit and smear. In the same way the writing was given over to those that hate the Spirit and it was all changed to a deluding influence. 

Also if a PM was posted by me I would immediately have been banned but they overlook that also in compliance. 

When I went through this experience before where every word was taken and used to mean what they wanted it to mean. (Also the Spirit regarding the original words that were written down that folks were being fed to the lions for.) The person acted for a moment once as though they cared but only wanted to get me to say a certain word so they could go to a shelter and use that word as proof knowing that I said the word because of how they cared about whether I would hurt myself over the pain of the experience. 

I saved all the posts before Stillhere changed them on Oroborus and if I post them they reveal that this IS the same person. And those that left because of her will also verify that these posts that I saved were real. 

Like when I went through this before I would be defending every word and every intent as they utterly destroy me through this process. 

I am going to post them and only give the web address to those that know what Stillhere did at ORO before it was sanitized. 

I don't plan on defending myself as after they said it was my final warning just like the old The Asylum they then acted like I did something after that which is not true I posted nothing after Kelly said that but they intended to further make it appear as though I had, 

I will send the link and the info that verifies all the posts will be on it and the posts on Oro reveal who this person really is. Tree 

Here is the real Stillhere and it is also MistyRain if You get into the Spirit of this person on this thread and there are a lot more much more nasty meant to do exactly what she is doing on Prophs 

This reveals the Stillhere that came over to Oro and is the same Spirit in the MistyRain that lies to win and destroy. I already knew that such lies and intentional humiliation was coming. That is why it is not a person like Jesus the Spirit says to follow but rather the Spirit Speaking through him was the one to follow and is to be followed within You. 
http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?t=16749&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=cluck&start=40 

I have all the folders of what really happened and though websites are being sterilized I have all the folks that were pushed out to verify the posts that will be on this site. I just need to post this for a day while I get the message to those they are trying to crucify me and make me to be what they want me to appear.

 

You are being lied to in order to eliminate me

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:55 pm    Post subject: aaaa

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Fortunately I am blessed with wonderful neighbors....the kind that when we had that scarey widespread massive power outage everal summer ago, all joined together setting up grills on their front lawns cooking all the freezer meats up that would have spoiled, all fixing a massive block supper..every one all out on the street with flashlights, camper lights, etc. keeping each other's spirits up.
Do you honestly not realize I am giving you an example of aggressive behavior like people experienced in europe as Hitler's Germany rolled over them? Or just pretending you do not get the point? While you were busy licking the boots of the gestapo, they were tossing your Jewish neighbor on the trains. While you were trying to talk nice to them they were busy burning down your whole neighborhood. What did you have to do to "earn" their respect? Baking a cake and talking nice didn't work..gthey still torched your house and shot you.

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 8:59 pm    Post subject: this thread has gone nuclear!

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OH NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Brock is now radioactive...Oh NOoooooo, the cake is glowing green.....!!!!!!!!!!!!

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:02 pm    Post subject: wait a minute

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I'll take Brock's naivety, empty protest and hestiancy over Stillhere's quick finger on the nuke button and rush to judgement, fear and paranoia any day of the week!

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Just like those that will die, all that remain will be changed in a moment. For they will be reached even to the heart.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 09, 2010 9:19 pm    Post subject: white light and shadow

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Yeah, I have seen the white light!

Instead of doing Jungian shadow work, we will leave our shadows etched into the brick and cement...the irony


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Wouldn't it be cool if we get what we give?
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 10:11 am    Post subject: Re: stillhere's fantasy

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Stillhere's fantasy..ever escalating violence and polarization, fear and paranoia reign supreme.

In almost every nuclear war game, they always reach for bigger guns..bigger nukes, no matter what the scenario.

Tuck your dick in and pull up your pants Stillhere and go nuke them sum of bitches and save Brock!


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Boy did you ever get that right, River!!! I've never seen such vitriole spewed at someone so undeserving before, and the pompous attitude keeps getting worse and worse...
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Brock wrote:

You have all the power.

You push the button and kill everyone OR you stop the war and save everyone.

Obviously an opinion against war is a reason to be killed.

Go ahead, will you die for peace or live for war??


stillhere, I believe brainwashing includes agreeing to aggressions like war. When I'm pissed I don't refer to history, I refer to my heart.

Luna, you are right, I refuse to believe you are powerless. Take your energy to the right place where you can break the genetic cycle. I believe that truth is so big, I can be you and me at the same time. I would never agree to killing thus so. I do not presume you'd agree to die for an unjust government, if you lived in Hiroshima or Nagasaki.



First off, the question I asked wasn't, "Could you order a bomb to dropped." There was no button to push at that time but it doesn't matter because the result was the same.
The question is essentially, "What would you have done to not drop the bomb."
Don't focus on dropping it, focus on not dropping it.
Now in considering this question, look at all possibilities like diplomatic solutions, a less hard line stance in the calls for surrender, offering only aid instead, proposing a win/win solution etc. These possibilities are what are intriguing.

No, I couldn't have dropped that bomb either. It took a 'special' person to do that and neither of us are that kind of special. Wink

Yes, I would agree to die in order to stop an unjust government and not be a part of a machine of mass slaughter over running the earth. Now, I do not presume that any one who died there agreed to that no more than the (lowest estimate) 25 million people brutally slaughtered by the Japanese agreed to their tortuous fate.

BTW: No one suggested being against war is a reason to die, I don't think any way. I might hav missed something there.

A couple other questions to ponder, (and I am pondering them myself) Would you agree to leave others to be killed (25 million people were eviscerated, had all their limbs frozen solid and amputated, and biological weapons tested on them all without anesthesia)? Would you agree to let only the murders inherit the earth by killing off all the peaceful people so that only the genociders remained?

I agree that choosing peace while in an aggressor society (like ours has become) is the proper way to help put an end to wars of aggression. However, when one aggressor is whole sale slaughtering 25 million people and there is no end in sight to the slaughter and they are attacking you, self defense is justified, imho. You may choose not to defend yourself or the rest of humanity if you like and that would be okay to.

One thing a history professor pointed out to me was that we are not part of the cultures or societies surrounding various events and do not have the same life experiences as the people that partook in those situations. All of those factors lead to various outcomes in different places and times. Neither you nor I were there and experienced the events that lead to this cataclysm. So any insights we have, might not be applicable to them. It could be akin to blaming small pox victims of the 11th century for not being vaccinated against small pox when no such thing had been invented yet. That applies here to. We have had cultural developments since that time and various mass epiphanies that just wasn't in the equation back then.

Anyway, you don't need to tackle it here, but please do tackle it in the back of your mind-- that is, "How could have the bombs not been dropped."

P.s. I'm going to be busy and not on much for the next day or two. I'm not gone, so don't assume that I am or that I'm stymied. I'll just not be here.
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:hugs:


I can hear gentleness again. Maybe it was the "pondering" approach Luna stated. May mother earth be healed by humans wrongdoing...and vice versa.


I can only imagine how depressing the earth looks from out in space...such beauty in color and form with blasts from the survace indicating humans' plight.
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SIGH....once again in rides snarky River with ASSUMPTIONS and ALLEGATIONS! River - how the h++l do you see anything in what I expressed insinuating that I would have a "quick finger on the nuke button" or "rush to judgement, fear and paranoia"??????? Good grief!! Talk about living in your own small mind wherein you make up your own "facts"! Lol....you are too much. FEAR - people in europe and the Pacific had no fear of Germany or Japan invading their countries and killing their people???? No FEAR there??? Oh, they were just laboring under PARANOIA! I see.......Did Pres. Truman have a "quick finger on the nuke button"? So, it is NOT TRUE that he took ample time to forewarn the Japanese government - not ONCE, but TWICE? Did Truman "rush to judgement" when he considered that ending WW II by using the atomic bombs would save untold millions of lives?
Oh, let me ask you, River...did Japan "rush to jusgement" and act out of "fear and paranoia" when they decided to bomb Pearl Harbor? History shows us that Japan's attack on Pearl Harbor was a pretty well planned out and pre-practiced event. Did Hitler "rush to judgement" or act out of "fear and paranoia" when he decided to exterminate europe's Jewish population? No, history shows us he cleverly manipulated his way into power in Germany by convincing the Germans that the Jews were responsible for all their problems. Right from the onset he had his evil "master plan" and knew EXACTLY what he intended to do. The same planned aggression was evident in the Japanese's planned conquering of countries in Pacific Asia.
Luna is correct - OBVIOUSLY the peoples of the 1930s and 1940s were very different cultures from what we live in today. The US was basically harboring a "that's europe's problem" regarding Germany's aggression. We bordered on isolationism, minding our own business UNTIL Japan made it "our business" when it attacked Pearl Harbor. Were millions of American's acting out of a "rush to judgement, fear and paranoia" when they quickly enlisted into military service following that attack? Hmmm......but, hey, I am certain that somewhere in your mind you, River, are able to "create" your own "facts" and spin your own realities. Gee, would the USA today be German-speaking or Japanese-speaking? Certainly had the Axis powers accomplished their plans, eventually they would have gone to war against one another to dominate the globe. So, German or Japanese?

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stillhere, you are managing singlehandedly to alienate most of the posters here by your derisive remarks and nastiness. You have so much anger, it is disheartening. Perhaps you should read their posts, read their links and take to heart that this is a free country, free for all of us to believe and think what we want. I know I cannot change your mind, nor the minds of many others here. I usually just call you out, but I am not going to do that anymore because like most uberconservatives (which you ARE - regardless of all your claims), you have drunk the koolaid and you are blinded by their animosity and hatred for the rest of us. I only hope you can find peace somewhere, it certainly isn't here, in fact, since you disagree with so many here, I cannot understand why you are still here.
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As any such scenario approached the smallest of points overlooked would have shown those intending peace how to be

Wise as serpents and as gentle as doves

What was overlooked would change the equation for those that seek sanctuary through the Spirit.

Those leaning on their own understanding would have had no recourse but to push the button and have the button pushed on them.


Reemerge and inherit the earth

Matthew 21:43,44

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Therefore I tell you that the kingdom of God will be taken away from you and given to a people who will produce its fruit.
He who falls on this stone will be broken to pieces, but he on whom it falls will be crushed.



If You knew what was coming You would let the Spirit break Your heart even to the edge, but the self right people will love their interpretation they did not get from SPIRIT until the day they are swept away.
Luke 17:31-33

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On that day no one who is on the roof of his house, with his goods inside, should go down to get them. Likewise, no one in the field should go back for anything. (RLW) Whoever tries to keep his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.


RLW = Remember Lot's Wife
It was not because Lot did not fornicate that he was saved but because he believed the Spirit. For as Lot had children with his daughters but he Believed the Spirit therefore he was saved, what the interpretation wants You go believe is a lie. But his wife did not believe the Spirit when it was said "do not look back" So it is that the right people love their self rightness over the love of the Spirit. For the Spirit knows their hearts and knew that what they demanded others worship would be what binds them in order to take what was stolen.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 10, 2010 11:13 pm    Post subject: yyy

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Yes, Rye, I am a terrible angry person because I object to River's snide nonsense. Yes, I am just a terrible awful person because I do not share most of YOUR opinions. Yes, how awful of me to turn River's words against her to show how foolish her allegations intended to be snide actually were. Sorry, SPIN is SPIN. You are just trying to make excuses for your "gang" bully mentality. Remember, I suggested you just put my posts on block........I could care less if you read my posts or not. River and you are entitled to express your own opinions, but you are NOT entitled to name-call and then claim I or anyone else is being "angry" when they or I refuse to tolerate that nonsense! Enough.

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All of us can say all of these things about each other as we are all not perfect in this body. But we are learning the true intentions of the heart as to why we are STILL HERE. Some of us want to find out the true intentions of our hearts. Some want to reach others with the true intentions of the heart. And we all are learning when to let go and start new. There are none that are alive that have not been lost because of what we were taught to believe. This SHOULD only make us more patient with each other. If someone offends us we can first give it to the Spirit and when that two edged sword of truth shows up and it will, it will reveal both hearts. That is what a two edged sword does when two hearts get so close as in love and war.
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Stillhere, your response just proves my point. Your responses throughout here at Brock and River and me have been filled with animosity.
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RyeLiz wrote:

Stillhere, your response just proves my point. Your responses throughout here at Brock and River and me have been filled with animosity.



Very true, RyeLiz. It would be nice if that would change. Sad

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That is what a two edged sword does when two hearts get so close as in love and war.



My point is to not equate war with love.
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That is what a two edged sword does when two hearts get so close as in love and war.


My point is to not equate war with love.



there is nothing that is not love especially when life is only YOU and I,,

Related synch
Last night Pam and I watched "I'm Reed Fish" which is the story of a girl and boy who's parents died together in a wreck and it joined them together.

This morning this was a headline
Love After Lockerbie
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Yes, Rye and Brock...I am just this awful angry person. Just terrible...awful...awful...awful..........you on the other hand are beacons of love, kindness, compassion, peace, unity, thoughtfulness, understanding, nonjudgemental opinions, and radiate kindness all over the planet. gee, I so wish I could be just like you.

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Saying the Intention of the house helps me to clean my house.
This house is for those seeking true intention of heart
Or for those sharing theirs
This can be just about anything, so long as it is with true intention of heart

If I asked the true intention of Your heart would You tell me truly

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Love is learning from the experiences in wonder about YOU, my life, and then "seeing YOU in them"



Part of a Rumi Poem

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When someone is full
A hundred thousand prophets can't empty them



Part of the same Rumi Poem

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I can speak to myself
If I see myself in someone
Then I can speak to them

You who have respect come (Into my House)
You who have disrespect go
And take with You our disrespect



For the rest of that Rumi Poem see Poem called "I will teach You the Path"

Oh, one more line from that poem

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A person that thinks about defects is reading from his own page



Synchs with this Spirit today
Folks were all talking about how much they dislike treating bugs the way they had to in their home or they would multiply.

Related synchs
Mutual respect is a growing synch as in these posts
http://oroborusforum.com/viewtopic.php?p=143084#143084
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 15, 2010 11:43 pm    Post subject: worst sin of all, fascination by the spirit, Superbia

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The earth is sacred, how could anyone cross that taboo of god and take unto themselves the power to destroy the creation.

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from Wars, Arms, Rams, Mars, James Hillman page 128-129. From the book, Facing Apocalypse

He's talking about the different imaginations of war through the lens of Mars or the nuclear imagination.

"A further difference between martial and nuclear is in their visions of transcendence. They show two elemental imaginations of fire: war and the fire of earth; apocalypse and the fire of ether or air. And two different animals; the ram of territory and head on collisions; the eagle of piercing surprise and the uplifting rapture of nuclearism.

The nuclear imagination, further, is without ancestry. Nothing to look back on and draw upon. History provides no precedents. There is a broken connection, to use Lifton's phrase, between sudden, hideous and collective extinction and deaths modeled by the ancestors. The martial imagination is steeped in memorials. Past battles and military biographies are the on going texts. We tramp the battlefields, ponder the cemeteries. There are Swiss depictions of battles, for instance, showing skeletons in the ranks; here are the ancestors fighting in our midst.

The rhetoric of Mars in war-journals, poems and recollections speaks of attachment to specific earthly places, comrades, things. The transcendent is in the conrete particular. Hemingway writes that, after WW I, "abstract words such as glory, honor, courage...were obscene beside the concrete names of villages, the numbers of roads, the names of rivers, the regiments and dates." skipping


Martial psychology turns events into images: physical, bounded, named. Hurtgen Forest, Vimy Ridge, Iwo Jima. A beach, a bridge, a railroad crossing; battle places become iconic and sacred, physical images claiming the utmost human love, worth more than my life.

Quite different is the transcendent experience of the nuclear fireball. The emotion is stupefaction at desctruction itself rather than a heightened regard for the destroyed. Nuclear devastation is not merely a deafening cannonade or fire-bombing carried to a further degree. It is different in kind; archetypally different it evokes the apocalyptic transformation of the world into fire, earth ascending in a pillar of cloud, an ephiphantic fire revealing the inmost spirit of all things, as in the Buddha's fire sermon:

All things, O priests, are on fire...the mind is on fire, ideas are on fire..mind consciousness is on fire.

Or like that passage from the Bhagavad Gita which came to Oppenheimer when he saw the atomc blast:

If the radiance of a thousand suns
Were burst at once into the sky
That would be like the splendor of the Might One.



The nuclear imagination leaves the human behind for the worst sin of all: fascination by the spirit. Superbia. The soul goes up in fire. If the ephiphany in battle unveils love of this place and that man, and values more than my life, yet bound with this world, and its life, the nuclear epiphany unveils the apocalyptic God, a God of extinction, the God-is-dead God, an ephiphany of Nihilism.

Apocalypse is not necessary to war. Let me make this very clear; apocalypse is not part of the myths of Mars. Mars asks for battle, not wipeout, not even victory, (Nike belongs to Athene, not Ares.) Patton supposedly said; "I like maing things happen. That's my share in Deity." Apocalypse is inherent, not in the Martial deity, but in the Christian deity. Fascination with transcendent Christ may be more the threat to the Christian civilization than the War God himself. Are not civilizations saved by their Gods also led to destruction by those same, their own, Gods?

..nuclearism produces "psychic numbing, stupefaction, stupidity...

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PostPosted: Mon Aug 16, 2010 12:34 am    Post subject: Kenosis, empty protest

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From "We've had a hundred years of psychotherapy and the world is getting worse." James Hillman and Michael Ventura 1992

Page 104

"I used to get stopped cold in political arguments. I would be going on about something, and the other guy would say, ""All right, if you're so smart, what would you do about it? And I had no positive idea what to do, no program, nothing. It wasn't just that I was impractical; I was empty. My protests were suddenly emptied out because I had nothing positive to offer. They say that the '68 revolutions in Berkely and in Europe among the students were so easily crushed or petered out because the revolutionaries had no positive programs.

Kenosis puts the emptiness in a new light. It values the emptiness. It says "empty protest" is a via negativa, a non positivist way of entering the political areana. You take your outrage seriously, but you don't forces yourself to have answers. Trust your nose. You know whatstinks. Don't try to replace the helpless frustration you feel, the powerless victimization, by working out a rational answer. The answers will come if they come, when they come, to you, to others, but don't fill in the emptiness of the protest with positive suggestions before their time. First, protest. I don't know what should be done most of the major political dilemmas, but my gut {my soul, my heart, my skin, my eyes,} sinks, creeps, crawls, weeps, cringes, shakes. It's wrong, simply wrong, what's going on here.


That we blasted thousands of Iraqis, mercilessly, for forty days and forty nights; that we kept this visual and verbal information from the citizens who pay for the war, who are the war, and who will carry the war in their souls into the future of our country; that America's president could say there are no more protesters, turning them into his political opposition, as if they were now wiped out like Iraqis (there are no more enemies), that our overkill--"to spare lives" (the Hiroshima argument)--resulting from the religious fanaticism called "unconditional surrender" ( a tenet of Protestant rigidity and phobia of negotiating with the "enemy", going back to "Unconditional Surrender" Grant and the Civlil War) is covered over by harping on Arab Fanaticism; that this enemy was .................."

edit add, need to add more to Kenosis idea.Pag 102-103

Do you know the theological term kenosis? The idea from Greek means vain, hollow, fruitless, void, empty, in Christian theology kenosis refers to Christ's emptying himself of his divine power, of his unity with almight God, in order to enter this world as a man. If it hadn't been for this kenosis they couldn't have crucified him, and the expression of his emptiness is his cry on the cross to the almighty father, "Why has thou forsaken me?"

Kenosis seems now the only politcal way to be emptied out of certainty. Otherwise you become a fundamentlist united with an almighty ideology protected from avove by a cause. Therapy is just one more of the current ideologies keeping its believers from the panic of kenosis, the panic that comes when the whole structure of guarantees have collapsed. Therapy becomes a salvational ideology.

But I want to stay with politics for this letter. I could compare kenosis with the emptiness in Buddhist thought and the Zen exercises of emptying and the Oriental aesthetics of pottery and painting. But I'd rather connect Kenosis with Gandhi and Martin Luther King, Jr. Kenosis is a form of action--not masochistic action, victimized, crucified, beaten with lathi sticks and billy clubs. Protest.

then he goes into "I think now there's a third way. Kenosis. Empty protest. "

So this was page 102 -103 before 104

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"Like too many specialists in every field, they are educated not out of ignorance but into ignorance, because they are raised to an imagined state of enlightenment - which is actually dogmatism - where they no longer experience the light of intuition and fierce brightness of common sense.They see the world through cloudy windows of theory and ideology, which obscures reality. This is why most experts in economics never see the financial disaster coming until the wave breaks over them, why most experts in statecraft and military strategy can be undone by an enemy's surprise attack." (A BIG LITTLE LIFE, Dean Koontz, pg. 81)
"This world is infinately layered and mysterious. Every day of our lives, we see far more that we can comprehend, and because of the failure to comprehend disquiets us, we lie to ourselves about what we see. We want a simple world, but we live in one that is magnificently complex." (A BIG LITTLE LIFE, Dean Koontz, pg.267)

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The decision to use the Atomic Bomb on civilians ( moms, babys, school children, old people, villagers, you know, just people going about their lives) was a political power decision just to establish the US as a superpower..too stun the world; "they really did it!!""..and redefine power over the world at the time between two countrys, the USSR and the US...nothing else.

every other reason or excuse was just a way that they used to manipulate american minds into believing it was for an good cause.." but, they were never going to stop.." .."we're doing this to save the lifes of our boys"..we're doing this to end the war!"....

yeah. to end war. take alook around. how many wars have we been involved in since? how many lives of people from other countrys have we killed and destroyed for power and resources since then? yeah. we care about peace allright.
But we did accomplish the objective didnt we?..We became a Super Power.

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Nuclear explosions conducted in various parts of the globe from 1945-1998 Sad

http://www.blip.tv/file/1662914

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Well, Neptune...please explain why the Japanese leaders did not surrendr the first time when Truman gave them the first warning? And, then following the first refusal & bomb drop why didn't they surrender after the second warning? No...spin history any way YOU want to, but the responsibility lies with the WW II Japanese leadership. Had they surrendered BEFORE the bomb was dropped then there NEVER would have been a Hiroshima! So, spin on.........the world didn't tell Hitler to go ahead and terrorize all of europe, nor the Japanese to conquer all of Asia. If you were an honest person you would put the responsibility where it belongs. The USA did NOT start WW II. But, don't worry..you will get your wish pretty soon....CHINA will take over as the next "superpower" and then we will see how much "freedom" you will have to sit on a computer and bad-mouth THEM! Good luck!

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I'll answer, since you're sucking the life out of me with your precious hatred from innocent people. I'm discussing the civilians not the leaders/war-mongers.

Japan didn't surrender because adequate communication didn't exist! It wasn't 1980, ffs., nor did
KNOWLEDGE about the HORRORS of the atomic bomb. Surely,
any
HUMAN KNOWING WHAT THE FUCK WAS GOING TO HAPPEN WOULD HAVE SURRENDERED
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OK, I'm calm now. The exclamation marks stretched out your post.
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http://www.sharonghamari.com/excerpt/AtomBomb.pdf

Interesting about prejudice onboard ships.

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Watching Funny People and RESPECT is written on the guys shirt.

They were given a warning and still they try to separate people. Making the true intention of the heart more obvious. We're not going to judge anyone
but if the Spirit is mutual then we will REACH YOU and the true intention of the heart will be revealed.
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I saw traveling through the dessert the only way for humans to evolve to such an abomination of desolation that the world is destroyed is by following and giving money and energy to leaders that are not first servants. As they can then create bombs using that mutual passion and when the moment is right humans are cut to the heart and will never follow a leader but only the Spirit because of the LIGHTNING THAT BEGAN IN THE EAST AND CONTINUED TO THE WEST. In that moment they saw the Spirit through the torn heart and they let go of the WAY THAT SEEMED RIGHT BUT ONLY ENDED IN DESTRUCTION. For the Son of Man Appeared in their hearts as he left, for it was in a Mushroom cloud he then appeared in their hearts.

Unless the Veil of interpretation covering Your heart is Torn from the top to the bottom You cannot see the coming of the Son of Man in Your heart.

Love through the Spirit will lead Humans evermore and the leaders and the Self Right that only lead astray will receive their JUST humiliation.

It is not the law that causes a son to love his father, nor the law that causes a man to love his wife, but it is to love the Spirit above all things that leads to the True Intentions of the heart.

Bonneville, the coming Death and Rebirth of our Earth
And In One Moment all is changed

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And just like that the world was meaningless

To know death changes everything about what it means to live.
What the world calls REAL becomes meaningless while what YOU, my life speak becomes all that is real.


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stillhere wrote:

What part of that do you not understand?



I understand how your reaction on this thread started the negativity.
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Cluck, cluck, cluck.........pecking away.......stiring up the dust....cluck, cluck,..little banty rooster and his hens...cluck, cluck, cluck........dirt falling on your feathers that you stirred up.......dusty old barnyard...cluck, cluck.......peck, peck, peck......

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that's actually pretty damn funny, stillhere. Very Happy
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Brock wrote:

that's actually pretty damn funny, stillhere. Very Happy



Don’t be ruffling my feather now! Wink

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Thomas James Haller wrote:

Brock wrote:

that's actually pretty damn funny, stillhere. Very Happy



Don’t be ruffling my feather now! Wink



Could ya feel me envisioning beautiful pictures of roosters and hens?

It's actually a compliment imo, to be called a beautiful bird...compared with all the slimey humans we get oppressed and bitch about on the internet. nod


Love the colors Thomas!!!


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Cluck, cluck, cluck.........dirt flying....cluck, cluck......peck, peck.....molting season...shedding feathers....feathers in the dust....peck, peck, peck.....rain coming...running around, flapping wings......squawk....squawk....barnyard full of mud...nowhere to hide...exposed for all to see...peck, peck.......run, chicken little,the sky is falling......cluck, cluck.....

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Why the frig is this post so wide??????????????
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Brock wrote:



OK, I'm calm now. The exclamation marks stretched out your post.



Oooops missed this Embarassed

Mind if I edit them out? I cant be doin with slidin the screen to read every post
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Good grief...post lies dormant for 3 weeks then you go back & pick, pick, pick it up again. Get over it. Your obsessive hatred is now bordering on some serious insanity. Good grief, Brock. Give it a rest! Jeez........get a new hairdo, buy some new duds, go out to lunch, read a good book. Take a deep breath. Take a nap, some vitamins, a long walk in the fresh air. Give it a rest before you need a shrink, girl. The whole world doesn't have to agree with your worldview. You think America is evil, a killer of humanity. Others think America saved millions and millions of lives by ending WW II. FYI - Japan is today an ally of the USA. FYI - Germany is today an ally of the USA.

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Just throwing it out there for those who click it. I don't know of the accuracy of the article. I just read of similar subject matters in the past.

http://newsgroups.derkeiler.com/Archive/Soc/soc.culture.japan/2005-08/msg00120.html

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Why did Truman drop the bomb? The best explanation is a quote by Truman and the thinking of his Secretary of State Byrnes. Brynes view was that our possessing and demonstrating the bomb would make the Soviets more "managable" in Europe. "If this explodes as I think it
will, I'll certainly have a hammer on those boys."


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