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The hidden truth about Wilderness and religion

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 11, 2009 10:02 pm    Post subject: The hidden truth about Wilderness and religion Reply with quote

I posted this about Ted Haggard's "Wilderness experience" that was recently in the news.

Here is where it is posted.

By Steven Spence

January 11, 2009 4:27 PM | Link to this

The Spirit that is regarded last by those that love interpretation of scripture will be first while the smallest of points overlooked will render all the interpretations last/meaningless. The hurricanes, tsunami and all the events with Bush and the money loss in the stock market were all predicted by a seer that started by learning from the Spirit only to know the true intentions of the heart of Jesus. www.dnatree.us

John baptized with water [which is understanding] but the spirit that comes after such understanding is one that baptizes with fire [experience to the soul]. Are You willing to go through the humiliation and misunderstanding of those that love interpretation and reject the Spirit.

Jesus shows that he spends time in wilderness and through temptation/experience and being open to the Spirit you are then ministered to by the Spirit. The experience/temptation configures your mind and intention to be open to the answer that is to come from the Spirit. A horse that is not thirsty will not drink. Therefore interpretation is next to meaningless. But a true experience with the Spirit is all there is to growing in the Spirit.

Now John the Baptist being his cousin and being a little older was the first to share experience with Jesus at a younger age and it is through this experience and the fact that Jesus holds John’s wilderness experience as so worthy in saying there was none greater that came before him.

It was known by Jesus that the RELIGIOUS that take over the story would belittle true wilderness experience and true experience with the Spirit [reject the spirit] as that is what interpreters do. So in saying “Suffer it to be so in order to fulfill all righteousness meant that those taught by the Spirit will need this in order to know the truth about such experience because the religious are fixin to steal the story and amplify the misunderstanding.

It is well documented what Jesus knew that the religious would do with the story as he wrote about the parables in this way.

So seeing they cannot see and hearing they cannot hear [they will misunderstand using interpretation]

So it was known that the religious would return the whole story to the law and being good and following the leader as they always love those things of the world and reject the Spirit that teaches alone in the wilderness.

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Recently in the news a prominent preacher that got in trouble would use what he learned from the Spirit but this thing would be ultimately rejected by the religious as well thinking he was looking for an excuse.

Pastor in gay scandal: I'm back from 'wilderness'

Also my experience with Pam has been like a baptism. As Moses baptized all those folks through the Wilderness experience, for he first was rejected and cast out into the wilderness and it was there that he learned to draw to him via the heart the water and bread of life. So after my experience with learning alone in the wilderness I shared such experience with Pam and the Spirit used our wilderness romance to teach through experience.



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

there was just a story in the news yesterday about him. he said his sexuality is complex- that marriage is between a man and a woman but sexuality is more complex than that. sounds like someone has had a bit of eye-opening and has accepted that he's bi. such a scandal. had he just decided that he wanted to be with a man, it would have been bad enough, but it was a hooker and meth fest. not so good. i am glad he's openly told people that sexuality isn't black and white- people need to hear that, albeit not from him (at least not in this state-they won't listen to him).
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2009 7:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Wild der ness is the place where we experience our WILD heart. And like the experiences of a bride and a bridegroom, these experiences will be different for everyone, and are not intended to be seen by any that they are not part of the experience. But this I know, that each person's experience would be misunderstood by each other person. As all would deny You that experience if they did not KNOW You and LOVE You. And some, that do not love having other intentions might even encourage You into such experiences just to use it against You. But without "true intention of heart" to experience with the intent to know the Spirit these experiences should not be done. Now who is to say what the "true intent of the heart is" of another. So who can say if they should do or not do something. For nature has written into it a law that if a tree having experience does not fruit then it is cut down. So it is that someone cannot lie to themselves for long without being jolted in a way that will help them change. But the lovers of the law acting as god short circuit the natural and take the blamed one's eyes from that moment of truth. Only to thicken the veil leading to separation and death. One needs to be without shame and blame, unveiled and uninhibited as it was in the beginning in order to be open to the Spirit. One that is veiled is not open to learning from Spirit but rather from the law. What all law desires is accomplished by what is learned in the moment it is needed. And this thing cannot be learned without the experience of "being there" first. So You don't get answers from the Spirit by asking for the answer as much as You do by asking for the experience of drinking wine with the Spirit.

Sex is a great teacher, but so is any activity that opens the heart. Sex is the poetry of opening the heart and getting into synch with Your moments. Walking on a mountain top with an open heart is similar.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 8:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Where passion once flung the universe into existence now love remains

And once passion cemented You and I at first meeting
Now through True intention of heart towards one another and the magic of shared experience/romance/baptism Love now remains.

This picture was taken by a woman we met by chance while crossing the Sierra at Caples lake. The synch was that as I began to talk to her about synchs she reached in her purse and produced this book about synchronicity.
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 17, 2010 11:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

dnatree wrote:

The synch was that as I began to talk to her about synchs she reached in her purse and produced this book about synchronicity.

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