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River · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 9286

America: armed, dangerous and stupid.

River

dnatree · Guest

And the right people would do ANYTHING even Lawless to cover up the shame and to be RIGHT again. Like a lover that wants to cover up shame and so they start a fight on purpose to shift blame.

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

Okay, I have to jump in on this. And why is this wrong? We have a right to bear arms, we have a right to question our government's intentions.

I think, quite the contrary, it is our GOVERNMENT that is armed, dangerous and stupid. Enough said.
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stillhere · Joined: 27 Jan 2008 Posts: 1347

Good question/comment, Sharon. I grew up in a home where my dad had hunting rifles. When he & my mom retired and moved to Florida my dad bought a hand gun for their protection - being elderly placed them at risk for being robbed while traveling & at home. It always interests me how folks seem to think being unarmed would make society safer. How? The criminals will ALWAYS get guns.....I doubt the 2 men who robbed/assaulted me & my friend at gunpoint in that EconLodge in Florida bothered to LEGALLY obtain their guns. I don't see where anyone other then law enforcement needs things such as Uzzis, but I do believe in our Constitutional right to "bear arms". Ummm.....think we'd all be pretty glad private citizens have firearms were we to be invaded by say China! The resistance forces in France & elsewhere in Europe during WW 11 did some incredible fighting to help repel the Germans.

©®™ · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 5445

Actually the argument over the “bare arms” thing has been moot for years. The original intent was to keep the fighting power in the hands of “We the People,” to protect all of us from a rouge government that raises a mercenary army.

Weapons have become so dangerous, like suitcase nukes, that there’s no way to put such things in the hands of “We the People,” and that’s what really killed the Second Amendment. You can still own the most deadly weapons when the Second Amendment was written, like black powder muskets and cannons, but they won’t do you much good against a mercenary soldier armed with modern weapons. Heck, you can even own the most deadly war ship of the day packed with black powder cannons, but try and put a cruise missile on that ship and you will find out how dead the Second Amendment really is.

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

LOL, TJH, I was thinking about bear arms as I was reading this thread, then scrolled down to see your picture! LOL Get outta my head! Very Happy

Anyway, your first sentence stating that the intent was to keep the fighting power in the hands of the people to protect us all from a rogue government that raises a mercenary army...again, that is NO different today and perhaps even more pertinent than it was when it was written. Maybe our weapons are a bit primitive against a rogue government's hi-tech weaponry, but my handgun sure does make me feel safer at night when I hear some criminals have escaped and running the woods around my house.

I agree that some of those guns in the video are completely ridiculous and are built more for the paranoid and freakish, but you can't group the entire pro-gun populace into that niche...extremism exists in all forms, groups and civilizations. I will NOT give up my guns. Period. Just because some freak idiot out there is wishing for a civil war doesn't mean anyone has the right to come into my house and take my possessions away from me.
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PugLuvAh · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 318 Location: Ontario, Canada

TJH, That picture kills me!

I guess the argument really depends on experience and where you are coming from. I'm Canadian, lots of people own rifles to hunt, but guns for protection? No. I don't worry about getting robbed or attacked. To be honest, I was a little bit scared when I was in Reno and found out several American collegues I was talking to said they had concealed weapons on them (they all had permits). We starting having a really good discussion about it. The Canadians couldn't understand why they felt the need to carry one, and the Americans thinking we were naive for not. Maybe if I had been attacked or had my house broken into I'd think differently. But as of now, I don't even lock my front door. Wink

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

As far as my experience goes, Canadians are a much more friendly, peaceful lot...so ???

I don't know about your percentage of home invasions or gang numbers, etc. We are eaten up with them down here. And with the problems in Mexico getting worse, I foresee alot more of the gang related activity migrating upward into our inner cities, simply by virtue of viral mentality.
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silverkitten · Joined: 01 Oct 2006 Posts: 127

I watched this doc on HBO one day, and I am all for the right to bear arms and I enjoy going to a range every so often myself. I think what was really the disturbing part of this doc was the way some pockets of our society see issues of the day.

The part that sticks out for me was one guy at a NASCAR rally was interviewed and he told the interviewer that he belived that women and minorities should not have the right to vote at all, only white men. Cukoo

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

Yeah, those are the ones that we need to look out for...he/she probably is a member of something like a white supremacy group or the KKK.

Those people scare me and are also the reason I will remain armed. Heck, I need to protect myself against them, also. Freaks!
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Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

Sorry, DNA, you and I will just have to agree to disagree (respectfully, as always) on this one. I just don't think that a home invader/rapist/murderer/thief will stop if I pray at him...It would be a nice world if that were so, however...
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l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

DNA: agreed, wholeheatedly!

l'eau

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

Once again, DNA, I have to at least partially disagree with you. Sometimes RANDOM violence happens and it would NOT be because someone happened to invite it into their lives...I suppose that a child walking down the street to go play at the park and is run downby a getaway car in a bank robbery has invited that to occur in his little life? Sorry, that reasoning doesn't play.

However, I DO agree that some people invite negative actions to happen to them because they send out negative vibes, intentionally or not, and by the law of the universe, it naturally comes back to them in some form or another.

Just because you are at "one" with the universe doesn't mean that someone won't intend you harm. Tibetan monks are the most peaceful people in the world, but yet, they are terribly persecuted.

Again, DNA, I really DIG your vibe, but sometimes I have to call em how I see em and your reality just isn't where mine is. And never will be, not in this world. Just won't happen, people are NOT in the same space in their head as you are in yours and the ivory tower of dreams isn't based upon reality, but upon some utopian perception that you want mankind to evolve into. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with that, but again, we will just have to respectfully agree to disagree. My head doesn't float in the clouds (maybe it has been drug through the mud too many times! LOL)
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l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

Sharon, I agree with some of your points too - we have to ground the spiritual in physical reality, and that may come through things that current science does not understand yet. Though I do believe that practicing peace, while maintaining boundaries, is better than keeping guns and sending out negative vibes.

We don't know all that is going on, in heaven or on eath, and we have to humbly accept how small we are, to defeat our deadly egos, even as we try to be strong and do what feels right in our own hearts. But we need to do some serious digging and weeding in our own hearts, and try to practice faith, hope, and loving kindness and charity - not violence.

"Blessed are the peacemakers [...] and Blessed are those who are persecuted, for my name's sake...". (KJV, I think, but don't know right now).

I personally have experienced that the Virgin Mary helps make that connection between body and spirit - that she *is* that physical side of spirit - hard for most of us, but clearly expressed in many of her and Jesus' own messages to visionaries over the ages.

my two eurocents,
l'eau
(up too late yet again)

dnatree · Guest

Happy Mother's day, even to the mothers that are packing. Very Happy

I feel a growing intention to experience related to this thread. May it be perfect and ever so merciful, that we might see the exact power of our fears and intentions.

A woman goes into a sporting goods store to buy a rifle. "It's for my husband," she tells the clerk. Did he tell you what caliber to get?" asked the clerk." "Are you kidding?" she says. "He doesnt even know that I am going to shoot him!" "

neptunesdaughter · Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:41 pm Post subject:

I think its really sad that the whole world when thinking of american culture one of the first thing they think is the love affair with guns ..and then violence..I always rush to defend the states, oh no! thats not true! amercians arent like that! thats hollywood! weell, ok, yes amercians love guns, but not all!--well, ok so theres lots of violence..but not everywhere! well, ok theres shooting, but theres shootings everywhere in the world! well, ok, but people want to have guns to defend thier homes from people who have guns!and people want to protect themselves from people who have bigger guns so they buy bigger guns so they can protect themselves better...ah well.
scratch

its a bloody fishbowl. totally insane neverending story.
besides Im sure Christ would see the logic behind having a gun nowadays.
Rolling Eyes

l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

I dunno, Watergirl: try to google search some of the global statistics. AFAIK, the violence is much greater in the US and other countries that allow unlimited gun ownership.

I might be wrong, but look into it.

I agree that the Hollywood influence is a major factor. We need to disconnect from that, everywhere. It all glorifies testosterone- and hate-induced violence. And we also need to disconnect from the totally-twisted, perverted, faith practices of hate instead of the love and peace that Christ and other messengers and religions originally taught.

Crying or Very sad

l'eau

neptunesdaughter · Posted: Mon May 11, 2009 9:33 am Post subject:

..thats ok L'eau! I agree with you! ..

I was being sarcastic! Laughing

l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

Sorry, I failed to notice the final emoticon!

peace,
l'eau

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

I agree with the testosterone induced anger and violence in Hollywood and media. Have you heard any of that hateful, disrespectful wording in gangster rap and the sexual violence always implicated in that? I have gotten to the point to where I refuse to watch any movie that has primarily male actors because they all think that using the F word fifteen times in each sentence is supposed to make for good dialogue and all the cursing makes me ill.

I am learning to trust my gut, literally. If I feel my stomach starting to feel uncomfortable or my neck starting to tighten up, I will leave the movie theater, area, whatever. My body is telling me that I am in a toxic environment.
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Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

dnatree · Guest

I heard that it was a good idea to trade Your old 44 in for a new 22. Laughing

Let the angry right and the angry left have all the weapons they want as the lack of attrition due to so much knowledge is keeping dead fearful corpses walking around and we really need to save this planet for the true inhabitants..... the MEEK!

Secondly the fire is increasing that will cause the fears of those corpes walking around to draw to themselves what is needed to rid fear from the body.

Now I am the one not needing a gun as You will see intentions are much more accurate.

Learning from the fears of those close to me I am coming to a profound conclusion pertaining to why a man would even do relationship. Why it is those moments You and I have already shared, and even though You misunderstood me for 6000yrs it does not matter. I take the blame to rid us forever of that lie in order that the blood of billions could be registered in the illusion of history, but when the BULLET HITS THE BONE there will be no need for words.

Let the fearful on the right and the fearful on the left have all they need to destroy each other.

http://www.stephentree.com/struggle/

Sharonywr · Joined: 21 Sep 2006 Posts: 4013

neptunesdaughter · Posted: Tue May 12, 2009 9:58 am Post subject:

Shar says "And I do believe Christ would not be packing, he wouldn't need to. He would freak out the fearmongers! LOL"

but arent the fearmongers all those that believe in guns?..I mean, you get a gun because of fear, right?..fear of losing your possesions, fear of harm towards your loved ones, fear of losing your life..and then the sociopaths whom use fear as a weapon so that you live in fear..

Christ used himself as a symbol to those who would eventually understand,,that "evil" creates fear and those that respond too it, feed it.

the fearmongers ( or those who live in fear or perpetuate it) killed Christ. And they would do it again. And he would not resist. He would die the same way, again and again..until humanity finally understands and lay down there weapons and find peace with each other.

l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

To DNA, Watergirl, and others who have expressed the same about fearmongers and the evil attraction of fear, including Sharon's comment about Christ:

I say "Amen, amen, amen!"

l'eau
(Who has NDE'd or had several other unforgettable OBEs and visions, and met Him, heart-to-heart, face-to-face. It doesn't mean that I know everything, I am just a little human, but I do know that He is only pure love and peace, and that is his Power!)

Brock · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 6315

amen, l'eau.

medi

Buddhist monks might be non-violent, but many practice magic. Some practiced negative magic before conversion. Please don't imagine a passive group when you see a buddhist.

sorry, off topic.
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l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

Not really off topic, Sabrina, since we are discussing fear and violence.

BTW, I dunno how you accidentally got on my "ignore" list - I don't ever do that to anyone!

Got it fixed now, I hope! Please let me know by e-mail otherwise.

love,
l'eau

dnatree · Guest

Note:
Sabrina turns up on the ignore list when You look at this board as a guest.

I have been having thoughts about how cowardly it is to pull a trigger compared to the intention required to kill without tools, especially over being "right". That rightness would never have the potency to reach such a passion. Cowards hide behind guns and the interpretations that back them.

©®™ · Joined: 23 May 2007 Posts: 5445

"Okay you cowards, lets do this
without any guns! Step on up
and I’ll show you what bearing
arms is all about!"

l'eau · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 2818

Love these bear pictures, TJH!

They remind me of that old song from the 60s or early 70s, by the Mamas and the Papas, the Dancing Bear:

(I still have no sound on my comp, for some strange reason, so I will just post the lyrics):

deerscribe · Joined: 22 Sep 2006 Posts: 3187

Brock · Joined: 20 Sep 2006 Posts: 6315

neptunesdaughter · Posted: Wed May 13, 2009 5:15 pm Post subject:

"Okay you cowards, lets do this
without any guns! Step on up
and I’ll show you what bearing
arms is all about!"

dnatree · Guest

I was walking down the Street in Stockton thinking about how Guns were needed for a different reason in the early days but now the equation has changed and then I remember how YOU could make a small stick more dangerous than a gun because of what humans overlook about how reality works and how the Spirit always shows up in the form of the smallest of points overlooked. The times when a threat came it was almost funny how something unexpected showed up and they either hurt themselves or the problem disappears.